Wednesday, December 26, 2007

December Update

Due to having been ill at the beginning of December I have only been back at the cash tables for 12 days now. Excluding last Friday when I don't remember losing a grand as I was drunk, I have made $10,660 in just 47 hours (~+230/hr) which is just over 10BB/100 (5ptBB/100) across 16 tables.

I think the break did me good as, for the most part, my reads have been better than ever. I've been managing to squeeze out some great value bets with marginal hands on fairly dangerous boards, and I've also made some decent lay-downs IMO; although not everyone agrees! (See below)


I had a pretty good night yesterday- making $2,300 profit, after having been down $700 at one stage. I played 5,773 hands and hit quads an amazing 10 times! (8 of which went to showdown.)

Three-King Hell

A couple of days ago I made an unusual play with a set of Kings. I played the hand extremely passively and then laid it down on the river to what I know was a set of Aces.

I posted the hand history up on the 2+2 forum and, as expected, I received a lot of flak for it.

Main thread here.

Another thread here.

The posters that thought it was played very, very poorly can be categorized as follows:

1. Decent experienced players who understood my explanation but just didn't agree (at least with part of it)- which is fair enough. I respect most of their opinions and so I'm interested in what they have to say.

2. Presumably-winning players (many at higher stakes) who are very narrow minded and lack either the ability to understand the reasoning, or lack the ability to want to understand it.

3. Inexperienced/average-at-best players (the majority of those that posted) who, again, are narrow-minded and often just fucking clueless.

(Very few believed that I played the hand well, although a few agreed with the river fold.)

The thing is, the experience obtained from playing so many hands enables you to make accurate reads, at least for the most part. Apart from the pre-flop cold-call, I think the hand was played as well as possible against that particular player with the read that I had.

Anyway, feel free to join the queue and berate my play if you so wish! :)

Muppet of the Day #9: Tonycoca

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.Tonycocam Hand History Tonycocanverter

SB: $232.35
BB: $109.95
UTG: $323
Hero (UTG+1): $200
MP: $322.55
Tonycoca: $60
BTN: $144.70

Tonycoca posts $2
Pre-Flop: As Jd dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
UTG calls $2, Hero raises to $12, MP folds, Tonycoca calls $10, 2 folds, BB calls $10, UTG folds

Flop: ($39) 6h Ah 8h (3 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $24, Tonycoca raises to $48 and is All-In, BB folds, Hero calls $24

Turn: ($135) 9d (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($135) 5d (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $135 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed As Jd (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-$60 NET)
Tonycoca showed 7s 6s (a straight, Nine high) and WON $132 (+$72 NET) <---- Bottom pair/ shit kicker, no heart, and no Fold Equity. Well played. :)

Muppet of the Day #10: Karina Jett

Full Tilt pros aren't exempt from winning a Muppet of the Day Award either, even if they are pretty. :)

Here is Karina's web-site.

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players Hand History Converter

SB: $242.65
BB: $218.60
UTG: $267
UTG+1: $78
Karina Jett: $149.55
Hero (MP2): $249.80
CO: $768.45
BTN: $340.95

Pre-Flop: Kc Ah dealt to Hero (MP2)
2 folds, Karina Jett calls $2, Hero raises to $10, CO folds, BTN calls $10, 2 folds, Karina Jett calls $8

Flop: ($33) 7c As 4s (3 Players)
Karina Jett checks, Hero bets $20, BTN folds, Karina Jett calls $20

Turn: ($73) 3d (2 Players)
Karina Jett bets $56, Hero raises to $142, Karina Jett calls $63.55 and is All-In <---- I was pretty sure that she had hit her kicker here (and was sure that she didn't have a set) but I couldn't find a fold.

River: ($312.10) 9d (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $312.10 Pot ($3 Rake)
Karina Jett showed 3c Ac (two pair, Aces and Threes) and WON $309.10 (+$159.55 NET)
Hero showed Kc Ah (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-$149.55 NET)


Anonymous said...

i don't like a 3bet pre with your read. i much prefer calling oop there.

i like the check on the turn only based on the way you played the river.

when you show the other hands that opponent has played it's obvious you're beat on the river.


Fuel55 said...

14/4 villian - not much of a range here. You hae very little in this pot so folding is just fine.

bign8te said...

Wow, thanks for posting this and the 2+2 threads. There is a wealth of knowledge in 2+2 but more and more there seems to be an absurdist attack mentality. I think this is most likely a world class laydown, very similar to the one Barry Greenstein describes (set of Q's) in Ace on the River. Of course people find this "unbelievable" and lol but there is a lot to learn from this post AND especially the previous HH's by villain. Well played, you felt it in your bones and you were right.

Amatay said...

I think its probably a good fold mate. However, if you were worried about the AAA why not check call the river? Also, is it possible he could have slowplayed AK on that flop? Some fish do.

Smart Money said...


Here's part of what I wrote on that thread:

If he had bet say a pot size bet on the flop, then I'd have re-raised him and been happy to get it all in- as I would feel that AK was a more likely holding than AA because so many [of the poorer] players at these tables prefer to slow play their set after they have raised pre. Once he checks the flop, then I immediately think "OK, either he has AA and I'm beat- or I'm not getting paid very much."
The thing is, checking a set of Aces on the flop is a very common play especially from poorer players. Checking top two with AK is far less common, even though the two hands may seem similar in strength. This is partly because it's more likely that someone else has an Ace (and will therefore give you action) when you hold AK compared with when you have two of them in your pocket.


I considered just c/c on the river, but a bet pretty much costs me the same if I'm behind anyway, plus it acts as a value bet (if I am ahead) against this villain's holdings that he wouldn't call a turn raise with.

muppet said...

I am one of those 'pretty bad/but trying like hell to get better' folks at your tables, and I've seen you do some stuff like that has had me shaking my head. Then, I see how you absolutely kill these games. Clearly your reads are spot on a hell of a lot more than they are wrong.

I think it's great that you post hands for feedback. Not only are you the winningest (word?) player at these tables, you are smart enough to know there is always more to learn.

When you decide to move up permanently to 2/4, I'll be the first one to breathe a sigh of relief, and until then, I just hope I'm not the Muppet of the Day.

But if I ever am, I'll take the free advice, however painful.

Smart Money said...

Thank-you for everyone's comments!

thaREALdmoney said...

That is a very interesting hand.

I think your fold makes sense on the river, and i especially like your lead on the river as well, cause he's checking soooo many of his monster hands behind apparently.

The only problem is, you posted the hand without any context, and given that, there isn't much point even posting it without including those other few hands in the same post to put it in perspective that you posted later on.

Smart Money said...

Yeah- some others have made that some point of yours- and I understand what you're saying.

I don't think there's anything wrong with an ambiguous opening post though, and seeing how things progress from there.

I think if I had explained everything that I have since then within the OP then there would be far more rigid and less interesting discussions.

To use an analogy: When I taught maths in England, my introductions to the same piece of coursework would vary widely depending on the ability of the class that I was teaching. The less-able kids need some direction in order to get started- whereas the brighter kids are able to take what they're given and develop it for themselves.

raylapsley said...

hi matey

hope you are well again, and looking forward to coming back to this shit hole for a break!

I like the way you played that hand and see nothing wrong. The "I play 6 max, look at the size of my cock" brigade may not like it, but they are usually spot squeezing adolescents looking for a buzz.

I like your line as well about how much you can possibly win in this pot - most people dont think like that and thats why they play silly hands or hands sillylylyly

chpin said...

Just found your blog, and lots of respect to you and your often seems like FR is less talked about these days.

I'm sure you have been asked this often before, but it never hurts to ask...I was wondering what ballpark your personal PF/VPIP stats run? I'm a 6max player looking to try out FR again, but unsure of the FR scene these days?

much, much appreciated.

- chpin

Alex Martin said...

Does he always have AA here? I have read the thread in its entirity and it seems pretty hilarious villain has slowplayed flop and turn w AA here. But you can never judge how someone has played a hand unless you are in the moment. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE post this on blonde and watch the shit hit the fan. I couldnt pass this. Which is why you have 20k months and i have 4k ones.

Smart Money said...


I run about 19/7 right now.

If you decide to start playing FR, then e-mail me and I'll give you some basic pointers on adjusting to FR play.

Smart Money said...

Hi Alex.

I was going to post it on Blonde. I don't mind the flak at all, but I don't know if I can be arsed going through my reasoning over and over again.